{"id":1869,"date":"2012-06-27T08:22:53","date_gmt":"2012-06-27T07:22:53","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/stg-blogs.bmj.com\/medical-ethics\/?p=1869"},"modified":"2012-06-30T18:19:08","modified_gmt":"2012-06-30T17:19:08","slug":"circumcision-in-germany-the-courts-speak","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/stg-blogs.bmj.com\/medical-ethics\/2012\/06\/27\/circumcision-in-germany-the-courts-speak\/","title":{"rendered":"Circumcision in Germany: The Courts Speak"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>I&#8217;m writing this while listening to Mary Warnock talking at the IAB, so it&#8217;ll be unusually short and to the point: a court in Germany has ruled that male circumcision for religious reasons <a href=\"http:\/\/www.bbc.co.uk\/news\/world-europe-18604664\">&#8220;amounts to bodily harm&#8221;<\/a>.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>In a decision that has caused outrage among Jewish and Muslim groups, the court said that a child&#8217;s right to physical integrity trumps religious and parental rights.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>The ruling doesn&#8217;t quite say that the procedure is illegal &#8211; but<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>the court&#8217;s judgement said the &#8220;fundamental right of the child to bodily integrity outweighed the fundamental rights of the parents&#8221;. \u00a0Circumcision, it decided, contravenes &#8220;interests of the child to decide later in life on his religious beliefs&#8221;.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Predictably enough, this ruling has not been warmly welcomed by the Jewish and Muslim communities:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>The president of Germany&#8217;s Central Council of Jews, Dieter Graumann, called it &#8220;an unprecedented and dramatic intervention in the right of religious communities to self-determination&#8221;.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>That&#8217;s telling. \u00a0The rights of the child give way to the right of a community to cut him. \u00a0Can communities have rights anyway? \u00a0I&#8217;m not at all sure. \u00a0If they can, and if self-determination is one of them, does that always have to come out trumps? \u00a0Again, I&#8217;m not at all sure. \u00a0It&#8217;s strange to see rights-talk brought to the table in defence of unconsented, irreversible, and non-therapeutic body modification. \u00a0If a boy decides that it&#8217;s important to get himself circumcised later in life, then that&#8217;s a different matter entirely: good for him. \u00a0But without any choice? \u00a0I may have missed something, but I don&#8217;t understand how the claim is supposed to work. \u00a0Can anyone help out?<\/p>\n<p>There&#8217;s a satellite meeting on boys&#8217; circumcision here at the IAB. \u00a0I&#8217;ll miss it: I&#8217;m speaking elsewhere at the time. \u00a0But if anyone reading this goes (or went), will (was) this case mentioned?<\/p>\n<p><strong>UPDATE:<\/strong>\u00a0Contrarian-for-hire Brendan O&#8217;Neill <a href=\"http:\/\/blogs.telegraph.co.uk\/news\/brendanoneill2\/100168081\/the-rebranding-of-circumcision-as-child-abuse-echoes-the-ugly-anti-semitism-of-medieval-europe\/\">ham-fistedly disagrees<\/a> with the ruling in <em>The Telegraph<\/em>. \u00a0Ophelia <a href=\"http:\/\/freethoughtblogs.com\/butterfliesandwheels\/2012\/06\/chopping-children-for-god-is-not-abuse-ok\/\">tears him a new one at <em>B&amp;W<\/em><\/a>.<!--TrendMD v2.4.8--><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I&#8217;m writing this while listening to Mary Warnock talking at the IAB, so it&#8217;ll be unusually short and to the point: a court in Germany has ruled that male circumcision for religious reasons &#8220;amounts to bodily harm&#8221;. 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