{"id":119,"date":"2010-08-16T18:30:33","date_gmt":"2010-08-16T17:30:33","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/stg-blogs.bmj.com\/adc-archimedes\/?p=119"},"modified":"2010-08-17T15:15:15","modified_gmt":"2010-08-17T14:15:15","slug":"unknowns-known-unknown-and-uncertain","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/stg-blogs.bmj.com\/adc\/2010\/08\/16\/unknowns-known-unknown-and-uncertain\/","title":{"rendered":"Unknowns: known, unknown and uncertain"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.cerebralmastication.com\/2010\/04\/i-dont-even-know-how-wrong-i-am\/\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft\" title=\"Rumsfelt In Flow\" src=\"http:\/\/www.cerebralmastication.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/04\/rummy.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"206\" height=\"148\" \/><\/a>Along with Rumsfelt, the drug-addled Dr. House and everyone who&#8217;s ever sat an exam,\u00a0 we can all recollect times when we know that we don&#8217;t know something.<\/p>\n<p>And we have times when we know something.<\/p>\n<p>And we have times when we learn about something we didn&#8217;t know we were unaware of. (Varenicline anyone?)<\/p>\n<p>And we also have times when we think we know something, but aren&#8217;t quite sure. I think these are the most common ones. These are the times <!--more-->when it would be nice to be able to describe and understand the limit of our certainty. This is the concept of the &#8216;95% confidence interval&#8217; (CI).<\/p>\n<p>The confidence interval is the interpreted as the range within which the &#8220;true effect&#8221; of treatment (or prognostic estimate, or whatever) may lie. In most cases, we use a 95% confidence interval &#8211; that is to say that the &#8220;true effect&#8221; has a 2.5% chance of being lower, and a 2.5% chance of being higher. They don&#8217;t have to be 95% &#8211; but usually are &#8211; so if we have a 90% confidence interval, then it&#8217;s 5% chance of being lower or a 5% chance of being higher.<\/p>\n<p>The value of the confidence interval, as opposed to the p-value, is in the estimate of effect. Take the fictitious Drug A vs Drug B, with RR = 2, 95% CI = 1.01 to 4.0, and p = 0.049 . The p-value tells you &#8216;drug A is about 1 in 20 likely to be better than drug B&#8217;, but the CI describes &#8216;drug A probably doubles the chances of success, might be as bad as just a bit better, might be as good as 4 times the success rate&#8217;.<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s relatively easy to find CI now in most major journal articles, but if they don&#8217;t exist for the study you&#8217;re looking at, there are some good online tools that can calculate them for you.<\/p>\n<p>Confidence can be gauged, and this much more clinically useful than telling us the chance of something being nothing.<\/p>\n<p>Acknowledgment: Excellent blog article on related topic <a title=\"Guessing\" href=\"http:\/\/www.cerebralmastication.com\/2010\/04\/i-dont-even-know-how-wrong-i-am\/\">here<\/a><!--TrendMD v2.4.8--><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Along with Rumsfelt, the drug-addled Dr. House and everyone who&#8217;s ever sat an exam,\u00a0 we can all recollect times when we know that we don&#8217;t know something. 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